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3rd Cycle advice

TinoG

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So im half way through my second cycle and loving it so much i have been planning my third one already.

Currently:
1-14 Test e 500mg week
1-4 dbol 50 mg day
arimidex .5 EOD
PCT ready to go

Im 40 , 6'2 currently 208 lbs.and climbing, BF is approx 12% and dropping.

I want to add another compound for my third cycle and im thinking Equipoise because its mild compared to others.

Heres what im thinking:

1-14 test e 600 mg
1-12 EQ 500 mg ( does this need to be pinned twice a week ? )
arimidex .5 EOD

Also, besides dbol ( back pumps crippled me ) what would be a good way to jump start this ?

Thanks for any help. This forum is frickin awesome and I wish i would have found it sooner than i did!
 
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I hear very good things about primo. However I hear its very expensive and faked a lot.
So you would use primo instead of EQ? and what dose of primo 500 mg / week?
 
I think you will like EQ, but you may need to run it a bit higher than 500 mg. For a third cycle I think 750 Test/750 EQ would be stellar. I can't speak for Primo since I've never run it, but the company that SigRep reps for is having a hell of a sale right now so I am thinking about picking some up to add to the stash. Either of those compounds would be a great addition. As far as a kickstart, you could use test prop, or pick up some taurine and stay properly hydrated to help with the back pumps from the orals.
 
What are your goals?... i would add deca/npp to bulk or primo/eq for a cut...
 
For one your eq length isn't long enough and you get better results with that compound at higher doses. But we need to know what your goals are.
 
For one your eq length isn't long enough and you get better results with that compound at higher doses. But we need to know what your goals are.
I'm looking to do a slower lean bulk with minimal sides ( I know diet is key ). I just wanted to kinda work my way up to the heavier stuff like tren.
 
I think you will like EQ, but you may need to run it a bit higher than 500 mg. For a third cycle I think 750 Test/750 EQ would be stellar. I can't speak for Primo since I've never run it, but the company that SigRep reps for is having a hell of a sale right now so I am thinking about picking some up to add to the stash. Either of those compounds would be a great addition. As far as a kickstart, you could use test prop, or pick up some taurine and stay properly hydrated to help with the back pumps from the orals.
Do you pin the EQ twice a week? I have read that once a week is ok. But if it needs to be two i would probably pin it with same syringe as test. Its hard for me to pin frequently because of the lack of privacy in my home.
 
I think keeping the test the same and the EQ is fine.. One thing about EQ with me.. Makes me insatiably hungry ... So have a lot of good food on hand incase it hits you the same way..

a small dose a deca could be used
test 500mgs
deca 250mgs

the synergy between the two are fantastic ..
 
I think keeping the test the same and the EQ is fine.. One thing about EQ with me.. Makes me insatiably hungry ... So have a lot of good food on hand incase it hits you the same way..

a small dose a deca could be used
test 500mgs
deca 250mgs

the synergy between the two are fantastic ..


While I agree ^^^^^ , If you choose to add any deca MAKE SURE you get some caber. guys are either one way or the other with deca.... I know for myself if I even sniff a half ml of deca my dick loses most sensitivity. At 300 mg wk after 6 weeks cystic acne on the lower back gets real bad. You may get nothing at all or you may get all of it. Just be prepared.
 
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I'd use deca instead of EQ. Great for joints too.
 
EQ is actually great for collagen synthesis as well. Believe it or not, it's better than deca in that regard according to some study someone posted up one time. Let me try to dig it up. Deca will probably help soothe any pain via water retention but as far as strengthening the tendons and ligaments, EQ is at least as strong as deca. I'll try to find the study.

EQ can be pinned once a week but I prefer to split it up out of convenience. Just load it up in the same pin as your test and you will be gtg. It cuts down a lot on PIP from various test esters as well when u mix in the same pin.
 
Increase skeletal muscle & collagen synthesis with certain AAS

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(originally posted by AnimalMass)

While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.
 
Thanks for all the great info.
I think I will go for the 750 test 750 EQ cycle. I have read how EQ makes you very hungry and I can use some help in that department since I have to force myself to eat.

Again, I appreciate everybody's input.
 
Deisel thats some great info!! I wasn't aware of the tendon strength issues associated when increasing Test levels and needing other compounds to counter it. I will definitely look at either Deca or EQ for my next cycle.

Curious, does NPP have the same effects of tendons that Deca does since they are very similar?
 
Hey guys I just wanted to see your opinion on me cycling a 21 . My body is saying yes but I've been reading no. I am 21 y\o 5`7 currently at 170 dry all natty.. I solely joined this forum for guidance and research. I was thinking of cycling for the upcming summer season . With test E 12 weeks. But I have been reading other vets saying to wait. Whatever decision I end up taking I have been doing my research and that helps me in the long run. Also wanted your opinion on my build and frame whether or not it is a good foundation to build from
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