20 year old first cycle (opinions)

Hello everyone, fist post and still new to the forum. I did research and recently decided that I will start my first cycle within the next couple of months. I am well aware of possible side effects and I'm only posting because I want more experienced opinions on the safest cycle for my age weight and height as well as opinions for greater results. Currently I'm 19 years old and will be 20 in April (which is near the time I plan to start), I'm 6'1", I weigh 201, and my body fat is at 12.7%. In the past I have cycled with 3 pro hormones following up with proper pct and liver care but haven't seen very noticeable results let alone results I'm looking for. My diet is on track for a lean bulk and Im hitting the gym 5-6 days/week. What I'm looking for in my first cycle are dry lean gains if possible and in time for mid summer. I intend on competing in the future, and any opinions on what exactly to take and dosage wise would be greatly appreciated. Whether they are negative or positive Im asking for all opinions. I just want my first cycle to be as safe as can be. Thanks!

Mike361 said:

Hello everyone, fist post and still new to the forum. I did research and recently decided that I will start my first cycle within the next couple of months. I am well aware of possible side effects and I'm only posting because I want more experienced opinions on the safest cycle for my age weight and height as well as opinions for greater results. Currently I'm 19 years old and will be 20 in April (which is near the time I plan to start), I'm 6'1", I weigh 201, and my body fat is at 12.7%. In the past I have cycled with 3 pro hormones following up with proper pct and liver care but haven't seen very noticeable results let alone results I'm looking for. My diet is on track for a lean bulk and Im hitting the gym 5-6 days/week. What I'm looking for in my first cycle are dry lean gains if possible and in time for mid summer. I intend on competing in the future, and any opinions on what exactly to take and dosage wise would be greatly appreciated. Whether they are negative or positive Im asking for all opinions. I just want my first cycle to be as safe as can be. Thanks!

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So you've done 3 cycles…

A good NEXT cycle for you is:
500mg Test E/wk 10 - 15 weeks.
Keep an AI on hand arimidex/anastrozole maybe letro (dosage will be correlated with your sides, mostly gyno. When gyno kicks in .25mg ED or .5mg ED will be a good place to start)
PCT: 2 weeks after last injection…
HCG 1,500-2000 ius EOD (week 1)
Clomid 50/50/50/50 (weeks 1-4, obviously)

O, and you're too young to cycle. Good luck

^^^ right there except HCG is optional, your not going to have that hard of a time recovering from 12 weeks of 500mg test if you are a healthy, normal, genetically non-risk male. A good idea for this first cycle is to LOCK in your dose for Estro control. See the bare minimum you can get by with for side prevention and that will give you a good idea as to what to use in the future. You are way too young though bro. I'd wait ATLEAST until you are 21, almost 22. So 2-3 years. The difference in a 19 and 22 year old is exponential

R3psForJ3sus said:

^^^ right there except HCG is optional, your not going to have that hard of a time recovering from 12 weeks of 500mg test if you are a healthy, normal, genetically non-risk male. A good idea for this first cycle is to LOCK in your dose for Estro control. See the bare minimum you can get by with for side prevention and that will give you a good idea as to what to use in the future. You are way too young though bro. I'd wait ATLEAST until you are 21, almost 22. So 2-3 years. The difference in a 19 and 22 year old is exponential

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I would suggest lock it in, but to WAIT to see what the sides are till about week 3-5. I know my nips get sore at around week 3-4 so THATS when I add in the adex and chill on a low does. I double or triple it if i want gyno to go away 100% or what have you…
I always suggest laying off the AI on first cycle to see what happens. Better to know what your treating than to be over treating or creating more damage to your body (liver, levels, signals) by just arbitrarily starting with an AI… PErsonal opinion though, not many share it with me so either way is cool i guess.

Good advice from this guy^

So from my research and your opinions how does this look?

Weeks 1-12:
-500mg Test E (1 injection per week)
-.25mg Arimidex ED (every 3 days)

PCT:
-Clomid 50/50/50/50 (Weeks 15-18)

And whats the benefits of using HCG post cycle as opposed to using it while on cycle cause most seem to think its better to use during cycle?

Mike361 said:

So from my research and your opinions how does this look?

Weeks 1-12:
-500mg Test E (1 injection per week)
-.25mg Arimidex ED (every 3 days)

PCT:
-Clomid 50/50/50/50 (Weeks 15-18)

And whats the benefits of using HCG post cycle as opposed to using it while on cycle cause most seem to think its better to use during cycle?

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Arimidex "ED" means Every Day…
I would honestly just not run the Anti Estrogen for a few weeks, wait to see symptoms and how sever and thern control it…. It will NOT get "out of control".

HCG kickstarts your gonads into working again. In my opinion, the whole idea of using it on cycle doesn't really make sense but to each they're own. Im personally not on board with that protocol. HCG after cycle is good to kickstart you but its not necessary for your cycle outline. I would save the cash to use it on the next run.

PS: .25 adex E3D will do next to nothing….. too low of a dose, period.

All real. Good advise. Hcg after cycle is what I do. But like someone said, u are too young. Gear does change you. Not just putting on muscle. I'd tell any young person to wait. It's worth it.

Mike361 said:

So from my research and your opinions how does this look?

Weeks 1-12:
-500mg Test E (1 injection per week)
-.25mg Arimidex ED (every 3 days)

PCT:
-Clomid 50/50/50/50 (Weeks 15-18)

And whats the benefits of using HCG post cycle as opposed to using it while on cycle cause most seem to think its better to use during cycle?

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I think it'd be better to wait a little more, push out another year of gains before hopping on the juice. Who knows, you might even grow an extra inch in height. Gear really does change you.

I'd swap out the adex for aromasin (it kills the aromatase enzyme instead of temporarily blocking it, preventing estro rebound when you stop taking it). Only take it if you notice estrogenic sides.

Add some vit C week 13 to keep cortisol down, it'll help with catabolism.

^^ one more year would be perfect of hard training and a clean caloric surplus. Go with aromasin imo, but like me and 325 said see what your sides are going to be and how drastic they come on. If you can get away with no Estro control on cycle till the FIRST droplet of signs itll be 10x more beneficial in a lot of ways than just murdering it from the get go. No signs + blood levels a tad high BUT in feeble range = Don't even take one till pct on 500mg test only (once you start getting to the big boy stacks 1-3gs of multiple gear a week, its a whole different ballgame) but for now Higher estrogen with little to no sides > Estrogen below feeble range. Everytime

ouch prohormones?!....haha I remember when I first tried that shit! Halodrol when I was 18! Bro, the guys in here know their shit and trust me they have seen and done it all! Take that one year to learn and lock in your training nutrition supplements and learn about drugs. Whats your background like? What type of training regimens have you done? Diets? Nutritional knowledge? What do you know that will make YOU GUARANTEE that you next cycle will be "safe?" And what did you gain on those cycles? and what compounds were they? What is your training regimen for the past year and what does you diet look like? If you are going to compete, what show and when do you plan on doing it and how far do you want to take competing to? i.e. IFBB pro? Fagsique? cover model? porn? lol....speaking of porn, your balls must be FUCKED from running those cycles with no HCG but more so your HPTA....do some blood work, there is a sticky in the labs area about getting bloodwork done. Talk to a doctor too and let him know what you did. Preferably someone who is involved with or has been involved with sports. WHATEVER YOU DO, don't talk to a pediatrician LOL shit aint gona work bro, unless he was a bodybuilder or has used PEDs and is not against them. Good Luck and be safe!

R3psForJ3sus said:

^^ one more year would be perfect of hard training and a clean caloric surplus. Go with aromasin imo, but like me and 325 said see what your sides are going to be and how drastic they come on. If you can get away with no Estro control on cycle till the FIRST droplet of signs itll be 10x more beneficial in a lot of ways than just murdering it from the get go. No signs + blood levels a tad high BUT in feeble range = Don't even take one till pct on 500mg test only (once you start getting to the big boy stacks 1-3gs of multiple gear a week, its a whole different ballgame) but for now Higher estrogen with little to no sides > Estrogen below feeble range. Everytime

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Unfortunately I am always learning and I have never tried aromasin. Can you guys give me a quick link or chime in to where you like to buy it and some tips/pointers? Im currently on week 6 of Test E/Mast E 1 gram/wk cycle and .25 adex ED is helping me out. I would like to switch to Aromasin given your guy's opinions and Im sure a little direction will benefit both me and OP.

Thanks brahs

Not sure if the green goddess carries it or not ^^ but you could go to the sponsor section and easily find a cheap + reliable place in seconds

R3psForJ3sus said:

Not sure if the green goddess carries it or not ^^ but you could go to the sponsor section and easily find a cheap + reliable place in seconds

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kk. dosing protocol compared to adex/anastrozole? I take .25mg/day. Where should I start with aromasin?

12.5 mg EOD is a good place to start on cycle. Some start with 12.mg EoD and then change to ED if needed. Aromasin and nolva will always be the king of estro control when it comes to test only cycles.

325rider said:

kk. dosingy protocol compared to adex/anastrozole? I take .25mg/day. Where should I start with aromasin?

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Good question. How much test are you running?

I can give you dosage of aromasin I use.

400-600mg test per week: 25mg per day

700-1000mg test per week: 37.5mg per day

Of course you would need to verify with lab work

R3psForJ3sus said:

12.5 mg EOD is a good place to start on cycle. Some start with 12.mg EoD and then change to ED if needed. Aromasin and nolva will always be the king of estro control when it comes to test only cycles.

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I never liked nolva for test only cycles. Idk, just never saw any side effect control with it……
But I will give aromasin a shot if it is superior to adex (health wise first, and otherwise)

Skip Foursome said:

Good question. How much test are you running?

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400mg/wk, 400mast/wk