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As if there weren't enough of these threads.
I've been digging around all week seeing how other people have done it. Think I have my first cycle all planned out
Weeks 1-4:
- tbol Ed
Weeks 1-7:
- test e at 750 mg a week
- tren a at 500 mg a week
- 25 mg arom ed
- .5 mg caber ed
Weeks 7- 30
- test e at 3g per week
- 1500 iu of huh eod
No pct. I'll be fine.
Haha sorry. I have a terrible sense of humor.
So being serious. Here's a little about me.
- I'm 23 years old (I know I'm on the younger side). And honestly I'm keeping an open mind about all this still no decisions have been made yet. Haven't bought anything just planning it out because I'm seriously considering it.
- been training for 6-7 years. I've had to take approx 1 year off due to various injuries during that time. (12 weeks broken hand, couple badly sprained ankles that took a few weeks-month here n there, you get the point)
Stats:
- 5'11"
- 183-187 has been where I've settled at for the past 6 months or so. Been as high as 192 before. My bf never gets very high nor very low. I'm also a ginger so the pale skin makes it harder to tell IMO. Probably around 12% though
- back squat - 375
- front squat - got 305 the other day
- military press - 155 weak sauce
- dead 405 had a little back injury not too long ago that's kept me away from heavy deads. I'm working into them now though.
Diet: I'm a college kid so I have a budget and it's tiny luckily swole food is relatively cheap:
- peanut butter sandwiches on the go
- lunch meat and cheese sandwiches on the go too
- frozen beef patties yum yum
- lots of chicken breasts nom nom
- raw veggies (broccoli mostly but I get carrots, peas n stuff too)
- steak
- eggs
- oats
- brown rice
- mixed nuts or peanuts for snacks
- milk and chocolate milk
- I shoot for a gallon of water a day. Sometimes I hit 3L and sometimes I hit 1.5 it depends. I carry around a 3L jug though so I'll be tightening this down if I do cycle.
Normal day looks like this:
Breakfast:
- eight eggs, cheese, salsa and two pieces of toast
850 cals 50g carbs 70g protein 53g fat
Or
- 1 1/2 cups oats, 1.5- 2cups of whole milk and some honey
750 cals 105g carbs, 25g fat, and 30g protein
Snack:
Bag of mixed nuts
490 cals 21g fat minimal carbs 10-14g protein
Lunch: either chicken breast and some veggies if I cooked or a few sandwiches
Chicken breast n veggies:
370 calories, 60g protein, 5-10g carbs 5g fat
pb sandwiches:
1000 calories 47 fat, 84g carbs, 35g protein
Lunchmeat sandwiches
640 calories 15g fat, 70g carbs, 55g protein
Pre workout protein shake
Post workout protein shake (sometimes I skip this and just eat dinner depends on my day)
Dinner varies a lot. Generally it's some sort beef, steak, or chicken. Also more veggies usually and some brown rice.
I also have the habit of waking up in the middle of the night and raiding my fridge. Yogurt and cottage cheese is the go to there
So on average I'm hitting:
2600-3200 cals 130g fat, 120-220g carbs, 150-200g protein
Admittedly I will get fast good like Wendy's or something once or twice a week and devour about 2k calories haha
Goals: I'm not necessarily looking for the most mass I can possibly get. As you can see from my diet I play it a lot looser then most of you guys. What I really want out of this is performance improvement. I want to see my lifts go up, my anaerobic/aerobic thresholds pushed, be more explosive, faster, better etc. Any superficial benefits I get will be a bonus (gotta look good naked)
Training:
- I like doing other peoples programs. I've done smolov and some other famous programs before with amazing gains
- right now I'm following my own
- it will take a lot more to write it all out so I'll give the highlights.
- 5-6 days a week
- 4 days have 1 oly lift at the beginning of the day. Usually not to heavy or to failure
- 5-6 days heavy compound lift after the oly. Could be anything from standing military bb to deads to weighted pull ups. Low reps usually in the 3-5 range.
- an additional lift in that muscle group or another heavy compound of a different muscle group. Same rep range
- one to two additional exercises in the higher rep range (6-12)
- finisher circuit that lasts 10-20 mins or hill sprints
Rests are pretty short. I try not to go over 3 mins or so even if I'm going heavy. Generally 60- 90s is my zone.
Fuck this is a lot of writing
So after my research here is what I would do for a first cycle:
- 10 weeks test e or c at 500mg per week*
- 12.5 mg aromasin ed during cycle
- 2 weeks before the end of the cycle start 500 iu hcg twice a week**
14 days after last pin start pct:
Depending on tiny my nuts are (like they could get any smaller)
- 2500 iu hcg e3d for two weeks if things look good then maybe 1000 iu e3d for two weeks
- 20mg daily aro for 3 weeks
- 100/100/100/50 clomid
I will do blood tests before, 5 weeks in and after pct.
*i read about myostatin reducing gains after the 8th week. I was wondering if a pyramid would be more beneficial. Something like 500 weeks 1-5, after the blood test 750 weeks 6-10? Also if I did that I would bump up the Ai with it too (how much?)
**after reading about lh desensitizing from taking hcg over long periods I thought ide stick it on towards the end. Let me know if that makes sense or if I should just wait for the PCT.
Last question: it's my understanding that test c and e are only recommended over test prop because you don't have to pin every day. I realize I'm a noob but it seems more ideal to pin every day and keep that blood level more stable? Are there any other disadvantages to prop or is it solely a comfortability issue?
Thanks for taking the time to read this. I should have pics up sometime tonight or tomorrow. If I decide to do this then this will become my lot I guess and I'll put my bloods up throughout since I know all the first cycle threads helped me out a lot. Maybe I can help someone else out too.
Cheers
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I've been digging around all week seeing how other people have done it. Think I have my first cycle all planned out
Weeks 1-4:
- tbol Ed
Weeks 1-7:
- test e at 750 mg a week
- tren a at 500 mg a week
- 25 mg arom ed
- .5 mg caber ed
Weeks 7- 30
- test e at 3g per week
- 1500 iu of huh eod
No pct. I'll be fine.
Haha sorry. I have a terrible sense of humor.
So being serious. Here's a little about me.
- I'm 23 years old (I know I'm on the younger side). And honestly I'm keeping an open mind about all this still no decisions have been made yet. Haven't bought anything just planning it out because I'm seriously considering it.
- been training for 6-7 years. I've had to take approx 1 year off due to various injuries during that time. (12 weeks broken hand, couple badly sprained ankles that took a few weeks-month here n there, you get the point)
Stats:
- 5'11"
- 183-187 has been where I've settled at for the past 6 months or so. Been as high as 192 before. My bf never gets very high nor very low. I'm also a ginger so the pale skin makes it harder to tell IMO. Probably around 12% though
- back squat - 375
- front squat - got 305 the other day
- military press - 155 weak sauce
- dead 405 had a little back injury not too long ago that's kept me away from heavy deads. I'm working into them now though.
Diet: I'm a college kid so I have a budget and it's tiny luckily swole food is relatively cheap:
- peanut butter sandwiches on the go
- lunch meat and cheese sandwiches on the go too
- frozen beef patties yum yum
- lots of chicken breasts nom nom
- raw veggies (broccoli mostly but I get carrots, peas n stuff too)
- steak
- eggs
- oats
- brown rice
- mixed nuts or peanuts for snacks
- milk and chocolate milk
- I shoot for a gallon of water a day. Sometimes I hit 3L and sometimes I hit 1.5 it depends. I carry around a 3L jug though so I'll be tightening this down if I do cycle.
Normal day looks like this:
Breakfast:
- eight eggs, cheese, salsa and two pieces of toast
850 cals 50g carbs 70g protein 53g fat
Or
- 1 1/2 cups oats, 1.5- 2cups of whole milk and some honey
750 cals 105g carbs, 25g fat, and 30g protein
Snack:
Bag of mixed nuts
490 cals 21g fat minimal carbs 10-14g protein
Lunch: either chicken breast and some veggies if I cooked or a few sandwiches
Chicken breast n veggies:
370 calories, 60g protein, 5-10g carbs 5g fat
pb sandwiches:
1000 calories 47 fat, 84g carbs, 35g protein
Lunchmeat sandwiches
640 calories 15g fat, 70g carbs, 55g protein
Pre workout protein shake
Post workout protein shake (sometimes I skip this and just eat dinner depends on my day)
Dinner varies a lot. Generally it's some sort beef, steak, or chicken. Also more veggies usually and some brown rice.
I also have the habit of waking up in the middle of the night and raiding my fridge. Yogurt and cottage cheese is the go to there
So on average I'm hitting:
2600-3200 cals 130g fat, 120-220g carbs, 150-200g protein
Admittedly I will get fast good like Wendy's or something once or twice a week and devour about 2k calories haha
Goals: I'm not necessarily looking for the most mass I can possibly get. As you can see from my diet I play it a lot looser then most of you guys. What I really want out of this is performance improvement. I want to see my lifts go up, my anaerobic/aerobic thresholds pushed, be more explosive, faster, better etc. Any superficial benefits I get will be a bonus (gotta look good naked)
Training:
- I like doing other peoples programs. I've done smolov and some other famous programs before with amazing gains
- right now I'm following my own
- it will take a lot more to write it all out so I'll give the highlights.
- 5-6 days a week
- 4 days have 1 oly lift at the beginning of the day. Usually not to heavy or to failure
- 5-6 days heavy compound lift after the oly. Could be anything from standing military bb to deads to weighted pull ups. Low reps usually in the 3-5 range.
- an additional lift in that muscle group or another heavy compound of a different muscle group. Same rep range
- one to two additional exercises in the higher rep range (6-12)
- finisher circuit that lasts 10-20 mins or hill sprints
Rests are pretty short. I try not to go over 3 mins or so even if I'm going heavy. Generally 60- 90s is my zone.
Fuck this is a lot of writing
So after my research here is what I would do for a first cycle:
- 10 weeks test e or c at 500mg per week*
- 12.5 mg aromasin ed during cycle
- 2 weeks before the end of the cycle start 500 iu hcg twice a week**
14 days after last pin start pct:
Depending on tiny my nuts are (like they could get any smaller)
- 2500 iu hcg e3d for two weeks if things look good then maybe 1000 iu e3d for two weeks
- 20mg daily aro for 3 weeks
- 100/100/100/50 clomid
I will do blood tests before, 5 weeks in and after pct.
*i read about myostatin reducing gains after the 8th week. I was wondering if a pyramid would be more beneficial. Something like 500 weeks 1-5, after the blood test 750 weeks 6-10? Also if I did that I would bump up the Ai with it too (how much?)
**after reading about lh desensitizing from taking hcg over long periods I thought ide stick it on towards the end. Let me know if that makes sense or if I should just wait for the PCT.
Last question: it's my understanding that test c and e are only recommended over test prop because you don't have to pin every day. I realize I'm a noob but it seems more ideal to pin every day and keep that blood level more stable? Are there any other disadvantages to prop or is it solely a comfortability issue?
Thanks for taking the time to read this. I should have pics up sometime tonight or tomorrow. If I decide to do this then this will become my lot I guess and I'll put my bloods up throughout since I know all the first cycle threads helped me out a lot. Maybe I can help someone else out too.
Cheers
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