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I was thinking about adding deca at a low dose JUST for my joints, so then I thought of NPP .. but for a cutting cycle it wouldn't make much sense.

I'm trying to inform myself, I tried a search but wasn't very successful.. do you guys know of anything that works similar to deca for joints and or tendons ?
 
Anything under 200mg/wk won't effect your cutting cycle.
 
I don't see anything wrong at all throwing in a little deca 50-150mg in a cut cycle to help with achy joints...if it's good deca that's all you'll need.

I know a few guys on here that also use NPP for this, what does your cycle now look like? Diet dictates whether you're cutting or bulking anyways, a little nandrolone won't hurt nothing brotha.
 
And this is why i love this forum.. thanks again guys.
Ive researched a little more after i posted, and i see some different feedbacks a few people complaining about water bloat at low doses (200mgs). I guess an AI would be a undispensable in this case

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The whole enlarged heart freaks me out tho .. I know the doses and time wouldnt be the issue.. are there less sides with NPP ive never ran it before and am completely ignorant to this substance

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Would caber be a must with low doses and short cycles ?

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The whole enlarged heart freaks me out tho .. I know the doses and time wouldnt be the issue.. are there less sides with NPP ive never ran it before and am completely ignorant to this substance

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nandrolone is nandrolone.

npp to deca is like test p to test cyp-
just different esters..

caber is not needed if you keep your e2 under control
 
One thing im trying to decide is whether to run aromasin 12.5 or adex .5 eod .. whats you guys orefference

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One thing im trying to decide is whether to run aromasin 12.5 or adex .5 eod .. whats you guys orefference

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eod dosing? adex all the way brother

but normally for me its.....
adex on cycle aromasin during pct

that's just preference
 
I have been on at least 200 mg deca for a year. My cruise is 250 sust/200 deca.

I have almost no joint pain. And I have found it to be a very favorable addition to my cruise. Scale and mirror feels good with that dose.
 
i've been on just 250 as well for the past month or so and it's been doing my shoulders very well (usually have issues with pressing) - seems to be having a slight thickening effect already.
 
So a pal just sent me a link to something he found a while ago and had it book marked.
I haven't finished reading the whole thing yet but I think its pretty interesting. . Don't know how right or accurate but let me know what you guys think

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How to Increase Collagen Synthesis

While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

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I have been on at least 200 mg deca for a year. My cruise is 250 sust/200 deca.

I have almost no joint pain. And I have found it to be a very favorable addition to my cruise. Scale and mirror feels good with that dose.


For me 250 -300 cyp/200 NPP.Zero joint pain-cardio is great-pretty much all year.I keep E2 in check also-OD
 
What steps do you take to make sure its in check ?

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Ans of its high you just increase your ai

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