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Cycle Laid Out w/ Details.. Need Review/Tips

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Alright so I've spent months researching this third cycle. Priming myself and getting ready to make some insane gains on this one.. Just thinking maybe it's missing something. Here goes: Cycle: Frontloading D-Bol @ 50mg/day for weeks 1-3, Test-E @ 750mg/wk for weeks 1-15 stacked with EQ @ 400mg/wk for weeks 1-15. Will also be running 30 mg of Aromasin a week, spread in 3 doses per week for 15 weeks to keep all extra test from aromatizing, and to keep sides at bay. For PCT: Clomid at 50/50/50/50 and Nolva at 40/40/20/20. **I'd like to add HCG throughout weeks 1-15 but don't see an opportunity to get my hands on it. If I can, I'll prob run it @ 1000 iu's per week for the last 5 weeks, since they are usually 5000 iu's per vial.. ** Not sure if Caber is necessary as I'm not gyno prone but the side effects are nasty looking anyways. Any tips are appreciated. I know some of the best call this forum their home, so this goes out to you. -mass
 
Cycle looks good overall but I would consider the following:

EQ is most effectI've at a higher dose. I would consider 600mg per week.

Aromasin is best at a steady level and should be taken daily. Typical dose is 10-25mg a day. I would start with the lower dose and increase as required or by reviewing bloodwork.

HCG is recommended for sure and there are sponsors on the board who carry it. 500iu twice weekly should be sufficient.

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MidWest said:
Cycle looks good overall but I would consider the following:

EQ is most effectI've at a higher dose. I would consider 600mg per week.

Aromasin is best at a steady level and should be taken daily. Typical dose is 10-25mg a day. I would start with the lower dose and increase as required or by reviewing bloodwork.

HCG is recommended for sure and there are sponsors on the board who carry it. 500iu twice weekly should be sufficient.

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This*^^^. Maybe even think about adding Mast.
Why not front load with prop?
 
Midwest, I had actually made that adjustment already.. Meant to put 600/wk.. So we're really talking 750 test and 650 EQ.. Think I found a good spot to snag HCG.. and thanks for the advice on the Aromasin cause I had seen other logs where it was said to be strong stuff that you should only touch twice a week or if problems arise and I know that anastro is on a much more consistent basis than that, so I was thinking I might need to get advice on that. +1 to you sir.
 
I think I'm going to kickstart with DBol and prop. One of our sponsors b4g2 deal and I think I'm gonna make my 2 freebies some prop to really get this cycle going.
 
Sounds good bro, happy growing!

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What I've come up with: Cycle Breakdown:
D-Bol @ 50mg/day for weeks 1-3
Test-E @ 750mg/wk for weeks 1-15
EQ @ 600mg/wk for weeks 1-15
Aromasin @ 10mg/day for weeks 1-15
HCG @ 1000iu/wk weeks 5-15

For PCT:
Clomid at 50/50/50/50
Nolva at 40/40/20/20
 
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To Thornton.. I heard Mast causes bad HPTA shutdown that requires careful HCG usage
 
massthetics said:
What I've come up with: Cycle Breakdown:
D-Bol @ 50mg/day for weeks 1-3
Test-E @ 750mg/wk for weeks 1-15
EQ @ 600mg/wk for weeks 1-15
Aromasin @ 10mg/day for weeks 1-15
HCG @ 1000iu/wk weeks 5-15

For PCT:
Clomid at 50/50/50/50
Nolva at 40/40/20/20
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I would kick start the first 4 weeks with prop and finish the last 4 with dbol.

I think gains would stall running the exact same compounds for 15 weeks straight so that's why I suggest the above.


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Cycle Breakdown:
Test Prop @ ?mg/wk (weeks 1-5)
Test-E @ 750mg/wk (weeks 1-15)
EQ @ 600mg/wk (weeks 1-15)
HCG @ 1000iu/wk (weeks 5-15)
D-Bol @ 50mg/day (weeks 10-15)
Aromasin @ 10mg/day (weeks 1-20)

For PCT:
Clomid at 50/50/50/50 (weeks 16-20)

*This is what I put together based on heymrwaters suggestions.

heymrwaters , what dosage do you recommend per week for the test prop kickstart?
How bout the Aromasin during PCT? Keep it @ 10mg/day?

And just leave out the nolva?:hmm:
I’m noticing a trend that many suggest clomid over nolva.
Thoughts? *Also, I believe that I should start my PCT about a week after my last pin so I have adjusted the schedule for that*
 
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massthetics said:
Cycle Breakdown: Test Prop @ ?mg/wk for weeks 1-5Test-E @ 750mg/wk for weeks 1-15 EQ @ 600mg/wk for weeks 1-15HCG @ 1000iu/wk weeks 5-15D-Bol @ 50mg/day for weeks 10-15Aromasin @ 10mg/day for weeks 1-19For PCT: Clomid at 50/50/50/50Aromasin at 10/10/10/10*This is what I put together based on heymrwaters suggestions.(I have Dbol for last 5 weeks cause I have enough for 5 rather than 4.)heymrwaters , what dosage do you recommend per week for the test prop kickstart?How bout the Aromasin during PCT? Keep it @ 10mg/day?And just leave out the nolva?:hmm:I’m noticing a trend that many no longer suggest nolva for PCT.Thoughts?
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I like 100mg eod when I kickstart with test prop, or 350mg/week.Nolva is great to have on hand, but the only use I see for nolva is if gyno pops up mid cycle and you need to make it go away quick. Nolva is best at that, then to prevent possible gyno for the rest of cycle you can up your AI dose, throw in letro, etc.....Nolva has been shown to reduce IGF-1 and GH levels when used alone. This is not a big deal on cycle as testosterone increases IGF-1 in a dose dependent relationship. However off cycle this may be a problem. PCT is a fragile time and lowering IGF-1 and GH levels are not desirable. I recommend instead using an AI that can be used on cycle and during pct aka Aromasin. I would dose PCT like this:Clomid at 100/100/50/50Aromasin at 20/20/10/10
 
Run HCG all the way up until you start PCT (this includes while esters clear) and start PCT 2 weeks after last pin.
 
Updated Cycle:

Aromasin@ 10mg/day (weeks 1-16)
TestProp @ 100mg/eod (weeks 1-6)
Test-E@ 750mg/wk (weeks 1-15)
EQ@ 600mg/wk (weeks 1-15)
*HCG@ 1000iu/wk (weeks 6-16)
D-Bol@ 50mg/day (weeks 10-15)

**PCT:


Aromasin@ 20/20/10/10 (weeks 17-21)
Clomidat 100/100/50/50 (weeks 17-21)


**I will start my PCT 2 weeks after last pin.
*I will run HCG all the way up until I start PCT, including while esters clear. Now I'm even more ready to start. Feeling more informed than ever. +1 to heymrwaters for sure, thanks bro.
 
Btw I have Test Prop for weeks 1-6 cause they are 100/ml @ 10 ml, so one would only be enough for about 3 weeks, therefore just got to get 2 and go for 6wks
 
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I would start pct 2 weeks after last test E injection and 3 weeks after last EQ injection. Besides that everything looks good.
 
the-german, that correlates with my research on EQ's half life, but I have also read that it's metabolism can take as little as two weeks. I don't want to wait that extra week if it means that I'll get shut down. Anyone have info on the risks of beginning PCT when serum blood levels haven't yet diminished? I believe that after two weeks, the test e would be diminished significantly, but my EQ levels may be above the ideal level to begin PCT. Could beginning PCT (Clomid and Aromasin) two weeks after my final shot of both Test E and EQ diminish the effects of my PCT, or any other undesirable effect? I think this is important to discuss, because I don't want to start too early or too late.
 
Everyone is different so those numbers are very generalized. I also don't know what you mean when you say "I don't want to wait that extra week if it means that I'll get shut down". If you're on cycle you are already shut down; that extra week won't change that at all. I would stop the EQ 1 week before the test e or add an additional week of test e.

I personally follow the masses on this subject because frankly I am in no position to reinvent the wheel; consider yourself average at first and maybe you will find you're better off than others in specific departments(recovery time, clear time, higher threshold for compounds etc.)
 
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Well I got 12,500 mg per jug of test e, and I'll only use 12,000 if I extend my Test E to 16 weeks, which leaves me with 500 to play with. Good call, the-german. And I meant the shutdown that would occur during the week-long section between the Test E being cleared and EQ being cleared, both of which I would like to happen prior to the restart of natural test production, triggered by the clomid. I would have less overall gear at serum blood level if the Test E clears before the EQ; to put it more clearly, I want both of the compunds to be cleared at the same time. This way, I know that I am beginning my PCT without anything still circulating. you did provide me with a solution to this by telling me to reduce EQ length by one week or increase Test E length by one week. I would like to utilize all my supplies. I'd have leftover EQ if I shorten it's cycle length, so I'd rather increase Test E length instead. Thanks brother. +1
 
Here is everything adjusted according to modifications made based upon the differentiation between the clear times of both Test and EQ. The changes included bumping the start and end dates of the HCG usage as well as PCT. I also increased the 10 mg/day use of Aromasin by one week to compensate for my increase of the Test E cycle by one week, as there will be an increase in dosage to 20mg/day upon the initiation of PCT. Heres a visual: Cycle:


TestProp @ 100mg/eod (weeks 1-6)
Test-E @ 750mg/wk (weeks 1-16)
EQ @ 600mg/wk (weeks 1-15)
Aromasin @ 10mg/day (weeks 1-17)
*HCG @ 1000iu/wk (weeks 7-17)
D-Bol @ 50mg/day (weeks 10-15)

**PCT:


Aromasin @ 20/20/10/10 (weeks 18-22)
Clomid @ 100/100/50/50 (weeks 18-22)


**I will start my PCT 2 weeks after last pin.
*I will run HCG from the end of my all the way up until I start PCT, includingwhile esters clear.
 
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Any chance I should move my Dbol to weeks 12-17 instead of 10-15, since week 16 is my last pin? I know it clears fast, so should I finish it up on same day as my last pin, or the week before I begin PCT? (week 17) :hmm:
 
I think you got it all figured out now mass.
You should keep a log, Id be interested.


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Thanks guys. This cycle has been upgraded tremendously. Will do on the log. Going to make sure I got training and diet spot on before I start, but keep and eye out for it. mass out.
 
Added some things (Deca and Caber) to my cycle plus minor tweaks. I know Deca causes pretty bad natural test production shutdown so let me know what to do with this PCT, if anything. Wondering also if the dosages seem right and also times frames. thanks. Cycle:

TestProp @ 100mg/eod (weeks 1-6)
Test-E@ 750mg/wk (weeks 1-16)
Deca @ 600mg/wk (weeks 1-15)
EQ@ 600mg/wk (weeks 1-15)
Caber @ 2mg(2tabs/wk) (weeks 5-15)
Aromasin@ 10mg/day (weeks 1-17)
*HCG@ 1000iu/wk (weeks 7-17)
D-Bol@ 50mg/day (weeks 12-17)

*PCT:
Aromasin @ 20/20/10/10 (weeks 18-22)
Clomid@ 100/100/50/50 (weeks 18-22)


**I will start my PCT after my last pins of both Test-E and EQ (2 weeks after TestE, 3 weeks after EQ)
*I will run HCG all the way up until I start PCT, including while esters clear.
 
I'm swapping eq for deca. just seems like I might as well since I got caber and aromasin on hand anyway.. update: Cycle:

D-Bol@ 50mg/day (weeks 1-6)
TestProp@ 100mg/eod (weeks 1-6)


Test-E@
750mg/wk (weeks 1-8)
1000 mg/wk (weeks 9-12)
1250 mg/wk (weeks 13-16)

Deca@
400mg/wk (weeks 1-12)
600mg/wk (weeks 13-16)


Aromasin@ 10mg/day (weeks 1-17)
Caber@ 1mg/wk (weeks 7-17)
HCG@ 1000iu/wk (weeks 7-17)

*PCT:
Aromasin@ 10/10/10/10/10 (weeks 18-23)
Clomid@ 50/50/50/50/50 (weeks 18-23)
Nolva@ 20/20/20/20/20 (weeks 18-23)
 
forgot to move deca back 2 weeks.. here ya go: Cycle:

D-Bol @ 50mg/day (weeks 1-6)
TestProp @ 100mg/eod (weeks 1-6)


Test-E @
750mg/wk (weeks 1-8)
1000 mg/wk (weeks 9-12)
1250 mg/wk (weeks 13-16)

Deca @
400mg/wk (weeks 1-14)


Aromasin @ 10mg/day (weeks 1-17)
Caber@ 1mg/wk (weeks 7-17)
HCG@ 1000iu/wk (weeks 7-17)

*PCT:
Aromasin@ 10/10/10/10/10 (weeks 18-23)
Clomid@ 50/50/50/50/50 (weeks 18-23)
Nolva@ 20/20/20/20/20 (weeks 18-23) P.S. If there is anything wrong with this cycle, I'd be pretty surprised, because I have put ALOT of time and research into it.
 
more adjustments.. just keep learning more and more but getting closer and closer to where I want it.. any thoughts? this time I upped my aromasin from weeks 13-16 due to the high test dosage. D-Bol @ 50mg/day (weeks 1-6)
*need 210 tabs


TestProp @ 100mg/eod (weeks 1-6)
*need 21 ml


Test-E @
750mg/wk (weeks 1-6)
1000 mg/wk (weeks 7-12)
1250 mg/wk (weeks 13-16)
*need 62 ml total

Deca @
400mg/wk (weeks 1-15)
*need 30 ml

-Support:
Aromasin @
10mg/day (weeks 1-12)
20mg/day (weeks 13-16)
10mg/day (weeks 17-23)


Caber@ 1mg/wk (weeks 7-17)
HCG@ 1000iu/wk (weeks 7-17)

-PCT:
Clomid@ 50/50/50/50/50 (weeks 18-23)
Nolva@ 20/20/20/20/20 (weeks 18-23)

*will have some caber left over if anyprogesterone related sides come upduring PCT

 
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