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Test e or deca

Dwan111

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Looking to run one of the two next cycle. Anyone familiar with either and what is the diff in gains and post losses. Diets been better workouts very good 38 m 6 1 210. 19 per bf
 
Sounds like you need to read up on these compounds and do some more research before seeking opinions from the masses.. You'll hear different sorts of feed back, everyone has different goals and are on different fitness levels. Not everyone has the same interest.

For starters read some info below on the difference of these compounds, as you will see both are responsible for different pathways..



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Testosterone Enanthate 250MG/ml (10ml vial)
Pharmaceutical Name: Testosterone (with enanthate ester)
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight of Base: 288.429
Molecular Weight of Ester: 130.1864
Formula of Base: C19 H28 O2
Formula of Ester: C7 H12 O
Melting Point of Base: 155 Celsius
Active life: 15-16 days
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:100/100


Testosterone is responsible for the development and maintenance of male secondary sex characteristics. This includes it being a highly anabolic and androgenic hormone, therefore being capable of increasing users' muscle mass and strength/power when administered at larger than normal doses in the body. The testosterone enanthate compound itself is an injectable oil which contains testosterone with the enanthate ester attached to the testosterone molecule. When the enanthate ester is adding to testosterone base, it creates a long-acting form of testosterone. This requires a user to only inject the compound once or twice per week to maintain fairly stable levels of the compound, something that is obviously an advantage. Blood levels of testosterone enanthate will fall rather dramatically five days after it is administered, however the level of the compound should still be well above baseline after a week. This is quite similar to the cypionate ester. In fact, testosterone cypionate and enanthate are basically interchangeable in terms of active life and half life, including almost identical release patterns. Enanthate was primarily manufactured in other areas of the world outside of North America. Cypionate was the ester of choice for North American companies in the early stages of anabolic steroid development. However now both of these esters are used throughout the world having both maintained their popularity with users. They are both widely available.

Testosterone is able to promote strength increases and muscular growth via numerous mechanisms. Of course first off testosterone promotes nitrogen retention in muscle therefore allowing the muscles to hold more protein and enabling repair and growth of those muscles. Secondly testosterone binds to the androgen receptor to promote receptor dependant mechanisms for muscular growth and fat loss. Testosterone also helps to increase the concentrations of androgen receptors in cells that are important for muscle growth and repair in muscle(1).

As mentioned, testosterone can play a role in promoting fat loss. Testosterone has the ability to bind to the androgen receptors in fat cells. This can enable the breakdown of body fat while and also deters new fat formation (2). Of course due to the fact that testosterone will encourage muscular growth, indirectly it will promote fat reduction because any excess calories are likely to be used in the muscle building process rather than being added as body fat.

Like most anabolic steroids, testosterone also increases red blood cell production. An increased number of red blood cells in the blood can improve endurance via better oxygenated blood as well as improving a user's ability to recuperate after strenuous physical activity. However it should be noted that there are other steroids and compounds out there that are far more adept at this function.

Among the other mechanisms that testosterone can help promote anabolism are via the increased production of insulin growth factor 1 it encourages, as well as suppressing the action of catabolic hormones in the body. In terms of performance enhancement, testosterone also offers numerous advantages. Namely it has the ability to increase the number of motor neurons in muscles and thereby improving muscular contraction. Like many other anabolic steroids testosterone also promotes glycogen synthesis. This will of course help to improve a user's endurance and strength by providing more fuel for intense workouts thus increasing endurance and strength, as glycogen is stored carbohydrates used as a fuel during exercise (3).

Some users believe that testosterone enanthate should be reserved for "bulking" cycles and is not appropriate for those cycles in which a user is hoping to reduce body fat. However this is a misnomer as the ester of the compound can not alter it's physiological effects. Depending on the diet and training routine of the user, testosterone enanthate can be used quite effectively for either mass building or cutting cycles. This belief that enanthate should only be used for bulking cycles may originate from the fact that a majority of users anecdotally report that they experience more water retention/bloat while using testosterone enanthate in comparison to other shorter acting testosterone esters. This water retention and bloat would seemingly make the user appear "puffy" and therefore may lead the individual to believe that they are indeed increasing their body fat, while the lack of water retention that they experience with the shorter acting esters may make them think that they are reducing their body fat when that may not be the case.

However, a minority of users also report that they hold less water while using testosterone enanthate than testosterone propionate. This again demonstrates that individuals react quite differently to various compounds. Experimentation with the various compounds is the only sure way to see how you react.



Use/Dosing

The ester enanthate is seven carbons in length. Due to this length the majority of the compound is stored in the adipose tissue when injected intramuscularly. In doing so it is steadily released over a period of time. A peak in the blood level of the compound is reached after 24-48 hours after the injection followed by a slow decline. This requires that a user wait about fourteen days after the last injection to begin their post-cycle therapy to ensure that the compound has completely cleared the system of the user.

In terms of an actual injection schedule most users will inject testosterone enanthate twice per week. However, some users will administer the compound only once per week or may choose to inject several times per week. The more frequently a user injects the more stable the blood levels of the compound will be, assuming of course that the doses are equally distributed and of the same amount.

As with the other testosterone esters, the doses of the drug that are taken by users varies to a great degree depending on the experience and goals of the user. Doses as low as 200-250mgs per week have been reported by users who say they have made good gains, with experienced users administering several grams of testosterone per week. The range of use is very wide. This also includes women administering testosterone. It is because of the long active life of the enanthate ester, it is not recommended that women who choose to administer testosterone use it or other long-estered formulas. This is due to the fact that slow acting esters can not be quickly altered if negative side effects become overly burdensome. By having to deal with the slow release of the testosterone and not being able to lower doses or cease administration of the compound immediately, it makes it much more likely that any side effects that are experienced will be more pronounced and/or exaggerated. For this reason, females who use testosterone may want to begin with testosterone propionate or suspension when choosing which ester to use and not enanthate.

Risks/Side Effects

Most of the side effects that result from using testosterone in males is related to testosterone's high tendency to convert into estrogen via the aromatase enzyme. These side effects can include water retention and gynecomastia. Users often complain that water retention is much more severe with longer acting esters than with shorter acting esters such as propionate. To combat these side effects users can use aromatase inhibitors and/or selective estrogen receptor modulators. Of course the likelihood of estrogen related side effects increase as the dosages are raised. However these should be controllable if the proper precautions taken.

Of course being testosterone, user's should also expect to deal with androgenic side effects as a possibility. These side effects can include facial/body hair growth, exacerbation of male pattern baldness, and oily skin/acne, among others. Some users may wish to use products such as Proscar/Propecia to reduce the amount of testosterone that converts to dihydrotestosterone. Finasteride is also an option that users' can pursue.

Due to the suppression of natural testosterone levels, testicular atrophy is also likely to occur in some individuals. Use of human chorionic gonadotropin can help to prevent this, among it's other effects. Of course a proper post-cycle therapy should be run once administration of the compound is completed to help recover fully functioning natural testosterone production.

Women may find that other shorter acting esters are more manageable than longer acting such as testosterone enanthate. This is due to the fact that the fast acting esters can be controlled easier and that the dosing and administration of the compound can be quickly altered if negative side effects become overly burdensome. With longer acting esters these adjustments are much more difficult to make rapidly and side effects could become more pronounced and/or exaggerated. For this reason, females who use testosterone may want to at least begin with shorter acting esters if they experiment with testosterone.

Of course with women using testosterone there is a possiblity that virilizing symptoms could occur. Deepening of the voice, body/facial hair growth, and enlargement of the clitoris are all possible side effects of testosterone use. These are for the most part irreversible (4).


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Nandrolone Decanoate 300MG/ml (10ml vial)
Nandrolone is by far one of the most popular anabolic steroids available. This is due to the compound's affinity for being highly anabolic but relatively mild in terms of androgenic side effects. Nandrolone is the base steroid 19Nor-testosterone, meaning that it is like testosterone in appearance except for the absence of a carbon atom in the 19th position. This small change makes a major difference in the characteristics of the compound (1). Notably, this change makes nandrolone a less potent agonist of the androgen receptor. This of course reduces the chance that a user will experience androgenic side effects. Instead of forming dihydrotestosterone when encountering the 5 alpha reductase enzyme like testosterone does, nandrolone will form dihydronandrolone. Dihydronandrolone is extremely mild in terms of it's antagonizing the androgen receptor. Therefore androgenic side effects should be far less likely to occur with nandrolone than with testosterone.

It is of note however that nandrolone is believed to have some activity as a progestin in the body. Although progesterone is a c-19 steroid, removal of this group as in 19-norprogesterone creates a hormone with greater binding affinity for its corresponding receptor. The compound will stimulate the progesterone receptor, along with progesterone. Side effects associated with this activity are similar to some of those related to estrogenic ones including water retention, acne, and gynecomastia among others. However these side effects are fairly rare in comparison to more androgenic compounds.

Now, with the reduced chance of negative side effects associated with the use of nandrolone one would assume that the gains in lean body mass that a user could expect to make would also be reduced. This is not true however. Nandrolone is 2.4 times as anabolic as testosterone when compared gram for gram (1). This does not mean that a user will gain 2.4 times as much muscle if using nandrolone instead of testosterone however. It is not that easy. It does show how powerful this drug is and how it can help a user make serious gains in muscle mass.


Use/Dosing

Due to the active life of the compound, users would only need to administer nandrolone decanoate once per week to maintain fairly stable of the drug. However, since the vast majority of users will stack nandrolone with testosterone (for reasons that will be discussed later in the Side Effects/Risks section of this profile) and the most commonly used esters need to be injected more frequently most will simply injected it when it is convenient, such as twice a week with their testosterone enanthate or cypionate.

Anecdotally most users report that the full benefits of nandrolone decanoate will not be felt until the fifth, sixth or even seventh week of using the compound. This necessitates that users run the drug for at least eleven or twelve weeks for a cycle of the compound to have the results that a user expects. Of course, since nandrolone decanoate is a relatively mild drug many users have run it for extremely lengthy cycles with little in the way of serious side effects.

Most inexperienced male users will start using about 400mgs of nandrolone decanoate during their first cycles of the compound. Like most drugs users have used quite large doses of the compound, with diminishing returns being seen as these doses go higher and higher.

Females also have found that nandrolone can be quite effective while offering relatively mild side effects. Doses ranging from about 50 to 150mgs per week seem to be the norm for most first time users of the compound, again with these doses increasing as users try to achieve more and more with the compound.


Side Effects/Risks

Estrogenic effects are not a major concern with use of nandrolone due to it's low rate of aromatization. However it can cause progesterone-like effects in some users. Commonly reported sides effects associated with nandrolone are such things as acne/oily skin, insomnia, diarrhea, and nausea. These of course are coupled with the common side effects most often associated with anabolic steroids including testicular atrophy, gynecomastia (including lactation in some cases), and sexual dysfunction.

To combat sexual dysfunction most users will stack testosterone with nandrolone. The obvious choice to be used with nandrolone decanoate is testosterone enanthate or cypionate due to the length of the esters being similar. How much testosterone one would need to take to ward off side effect associated with use of nandrolone and lack of natural testosterone production varies from individual to individual. Some have anecdotally reported that a low dose similar to 200mgs per week is enough. Others state that they need to run several hundreds more milligrams per week of testosterone than nandrolone to combat the effects. There is a small minority of individuals that also report having no sexual dysfunction from the drug even while running it without any type of testosterone. This variance again demonstrates that individuals will react to a compound differently than others.

This effect also points to the fact that nandrolone is extremely suppressive to a user's natural testosterone production. Even at relatively small doses, much smaller than those that would be used by those wanting to reap the anabolic effects that the compound can offer, nandrolone can suppress the natural production of testosterone of a user so much that it can take up to thirty days after the drug cycle is complete for it to fully recover (2). For this reason it is imperative that a user run a well planned post cycle therapy after using nandrolone.

Nandrolone is relatively safe in terms of a user's lipid profile and cholesterol. In some studies it has even been shown to actually improve HDL cholesterol levels (4). A major increase in a user's blood pressure or their liver toxicity should not be noticed with this compound either. Nandrolone is relatively mild in these respects.

Since nandrolone is a progestinic anabolic steroid (3,4). Some special precautions need to be taken to ensure that side effects do not get out of control as a result of a rise in prolactin levels. Using compounds such as bromocriptine, cabergoline and/or vitamin b6 have all been shown and reported to help lower prolactin levels. The drug Femara (letrozole) is also effective for use with nandrolone as it will regulate the progesterone and estrogen receptors in the body, therefore preventing some of the negative side effects associated with the compound.

A word of caution also for those that may plan on stacking nandrolone with trenbolone. Trenbolone is a strong progestin, much stronger than even nandrolone. By running these two compounds concurrently the user will suffer from extremely high levels of prolactin. This in turn will force the user to pay special attention to progesterone-like side effects and using compounds to prevent them, as well as having to run a particularly aggressive post-cycle therapy due to severe suppression of the hypothalamus pituitary testicular axis. Some users have anecdotally reported that they have suffered no ill effects of running the two compounds together, but it is a definite risk. One must weigh the costs versus the benefits.


 
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Test is the BASE in all cycles bro.. I love Deca for bulking up. If you not want to get bloated stay away from Deca. Deca is my best friend but for others its not. 500mg test e and 400 mg Deca is a nice combo if you looking to bulk,,.. Great gains and strength :)
 
Test e only if its your first cycle. You'll make great gains.

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Test e only if its your first cycle. You'll make great gains.

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Yes and this way you will know how you react to test alone. If adding to many compounds you not know what is doing what.
 
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